Comic 294 - Negotiation

11th Feb 2015, 9:51 PM in Chapter Five
294 - Negotiation
Average Rating: 5 (12 votes)
rufiangel 11th Feb 2015, 9:45 PM edit delete
Gah this strip is going up late! Sorry folks! But thanks so much to you peeps who came to watch the livestream, it was fun <3 :D

Btw - thank you continually for your support :D redrawn strip 0004 is up on Tapastic here and you can click the thumbnail below to see the DA upload:


image (Please click to go to the DA journal entry that describes this in more detail :)

CiciEnixa 11th Feb 2015, 9:57 PM edit delete reply
Everyone who watched the stream knows you placed Ren's speech bubble there on panel 3 on purpose XD

This looks amazing as always, rufi! Worth the wait ;D
rufiangel 11th Feb 2015, 10:20 PM edit delete reply
Aww Cici ;w;* thank you!! It was so fun seeing you there :D (And I one day want to see and hear you stream live with a mic <3)

And... re: Ren's speech bubble placement - I most certainly did not! XD;; Geeeez...
mjkj 11th Feb 2015, 11:11 PM edit delete reply
MizuNoRyuu 11th Feb 2015, 10:11 PM edit delete reply
And hopefully attacking them in return isn't your idea of negotiation, Kylie.

Enjoyed the stream too, Rufi. :3 *has to agree with Cici's comment about the speech bubble* XD
rufiangel 11th Feb 2015, 10:22 PM edit delete reply
Kyaaa! <333 Rare comment sighting! XD *glomps*

It might depend on what the two requests are XD Like... "We'd like to touch your butt" might earn an instant attack on them, for example... >.>

Thank you so much for coming onto the stream with Headgamer! <3 You guys are such cutiepies <3 :D

And GUYS NOOO I did not place that bubble there because of... gah! XDD
MizuNoRyuu 11th Feb 2015, 10:30 PM edit delete reply
You're welcome. :3

*chuckles* I now cannot get the image out of my head of Kylie saying, "Cain's butt is mine!" o.o
rufiangel 11th Feb 2015, 11:51 PM edit delete reply
Oh my gosh. XD;;;; Yeah, okay, time for a rescript.

CiciEnixa 11th Feb 2015, 11:58 PM edit delete reply
:,D Such majesty...
rufiangel 12th Feb 2015, 6:27 PM edit delete reply
XD;; I'm so annoyed at myself for the 'this/thing' typo though, curses! A typo ruins a joke so bad! D:
Nef 6th May 2015, 12:36 AM edit delete reply

Old post, but I have to say that I love the rescript... I've done a couple of these 'alternate versions' in the past and they are usually great fun.
rufiangel 6th May 2015, 12:57 AM edit delete reply
Ahahaha Nef, I'm glad you enjoyed it! XD;; It was inspired by all the comments made about Cain's butt while I was streaming drawing this page. *shakes head* XD;;;
Jarvi 12th Feb 2015, 12:06 AM edit delete reply
Why isn't that on a regular page? :D
rufiangel 12th Feb 2015, 6:27 PM edit delete reply
XDDD We'll say it's AU...!!
MizuNoRyuu 12th Feb 2015, 12:07 AM edit delete reply
*dies laughing*

That's too good. Is there some kind of Michael/Cain thing going here that Nemi knows about in the second to the last panel? XD I think something else happened in the hot springs bath that only Nemi could overhear. ^_-
rufiangel 12th Feb 2015, 6:28 PM edit delete reply
XDDD Mainly, I wanted to explain off the expressions in that panel, but... (butt?) I suppose that is indeed the implication. Legit head-canon for some, I suppose? XD;;;;
mjkj 12th Feb 2015, 12:34 AM edit delete reply

That is too much, Rufi...

Hmm, you could add posterior or behind...


rufiangel 12th Feb 2015, 6:29 PM edit delete reply
I actually made a point of using the word 'ass' as often as I could, mainly because that was the word/weapon of choice in the livestream chat for some reason XD;;;
Prayformercy 12th Feb 2015, 1:12 AM edit delete reply
10/10 would rescript again.
Spellodello 13th Feb 2015, 4:45 AM edit delete reply
...I was going to comment on the comic first but omg xD

Poor Cain's butt.(but who wouldn't want it?)
rufiangel 13th Feb 2015, 11:22 AM edit delete reply
XDDD I love that you had to comment on this one first LOL Spellu!! Actually even Saari-nii didn't bother with the comic and just asked me why this wasn't the regular comic so.... XDDD
Lukkai 12th Feb 2015, 7:52 AM edit delete reply
*drops laughing*

Dammit! My lungs aren't back in perfect condition just yet! XD
Still, the good laugh from that is well worth the occasional cough.
rufiangel 12th Feb 2015, 6:30 PM edit delete reply
Awww Lukkai! I hope you recover 120% soon!! >_<)/

But I'm glad it made you laugh, honestly the livestream cracked me up; you readers can be so crack XD
Prayformercy 11th Feb 2015, 10:13 PM edit delete reply
Had so much fun in the stream. Entirely too much talk about cains ass though.
rufiangel 11th Feb 2015, 10:23 PM edit delete reply
Thanks for joining, Prayformercy! <3 :D I was happy you were able to join esp since you asked me about it!

I was surprised too by the amount of talk re: Cain's butt. XD;;; Gosh, who knew?
Prayformercy 11th Feb 2015, 10:26 PM edit delete reply
its apparently a hot button topic that required in depth discussion and analysis
mjkj 11th Feb 2015, 11:11 PM edit delete reply
rufiangel 11th Feb 2015, 11:52 PM edit delete reply
OTL... XD;;; Seriously.
Prayformercy 12th Feb 2015, 4:46 AM edit delete reply
ok im at a loss, what is OTL 0_0
CiciEnixa 12th Feb 2015, 7:54 AM edit delete reply
This is OTL
Prayformercy 12th Feb 2015, 8:19 AM edit delete reply
rufiangel 12th Feb 2015, 6:30 PM edit delete reply
*both thumbs up for the absolute perfect image that explains this XD* Thanking yee!
Lukkai 13th Feb 2015, 2:39 AM edit delete reply
Oh, very handy! Thank you.
MysticJanus 12th Feb 2015, 3:19 AM edit delete reply
Nuuuuuuuu! The things I miss when I'm away at work! T.T
rufiangel 12th Feb 2015, 6:31 PM edit delete reply
Awww, next time! Sorry, the stream wasn't pre-planned; it was a spur-of-the-moment thing!
Seabiscuit 11th Feb 2015, 10:53 PM edit delete reply
(Aw yeah that redone page! That panel where she bonks the batmole is awesome!:D)
(Aw, there was a livestream!? Curses! I missed it!)
Kylie has a great point there, hahah. Attacking poor Renault is not a good way of going about things.

Wait, RENault and REN...[/conspiracy theory]

Ren is lookin' pretty swag. And hoping Leela gets her ass kicked as she deserves.:D
Prayformercy 11th Feb 2015, 11:20 PM edit delete reply
im still under the impression renault is Madou.
rufiangel 11th Feb 2015, 11:54 PM edit delete reply
*shakes head* XD; This theory is not going to go away even after Madou appears, is it? lolol.
Prayformercy 12th Feb 2015, 1:14 AM edit delete reply
even if he did appear its going to stay. I can rationalize it. Basically if renault is the one to kill madou, im going to just call suicide.
TheMentalist 12th Feb 2015, 10:03 AM edit delete reply
Theory 1: Renault is a Madou clone, grown in an alchemy lab under the careful direction of a shadowy group... the charity group leader summit.

Theory 2: There is an alternate SF universe from which Renault comes, where he was Madou.

*Just a couple examples of why that theory will not go away... even though I believe something entirely different.*
rufiangel 12th Feb 2015, 6:32 PM edit delete reply
Ohhhh, interesting. XDD;;;

I'm surprised I haven't gotten the 'Renault and Madou must be related' theory from anyone at all. Cloning would apparently be more believable?? XD
TheMentalist 13th Feb 2015, 8:52 AM edit delete reply
I don't always theorize that somebody is a clone, but when I do it usually turns out that they are just distantly related.

Kinda embarrassing, that... which may be why there aren't many people walking around asking if other people are clones.
rufiangel 11th Feb 2015, 11:54 PM edit delete reply
Yay! :D Thank you, I'm so glad to hear the ewdrawn page works!

And the livestream was a bit short, so no worries XD; it was rather lively and there was much talk for some reason about Cain's butt XDD;;;

Regarding Renault and Ren... XD ehehehehe.

I'm super happy to hear Ren is lookin' swag! XD; He needs to~! (You'll see soon why XD)
mjkj 11th Feb 2015, 11:10 PM edit delete reply
Wow, how does Nemi know that this is Leela? because of Mike's frown? *hugs her*

So, Cain knows ren - at least his name...

Yup, the stream was great - sorry that I could only sneak in some minutes at work...

rufiangel 11th Feb 2015, 11:56 PM edit delete reply
She can reeead his miiiind ;D

Just kidding, Ren called Leela by her name in the last strip. XD;

And Cain does know Ren, indeed. :) And Ren knows Cain...

And I didn't realise you'd snuck in! Awww, thank you for popping in even for a few minutes during work! XD; I appreciate it! Next time I'll try to do it at a time that isn't in the middle of your work!
mjkj 12th Feb 2015, 9:05 AM edit delete reply
Ah, last strip...

Well, I will if you stream when I am not at work then ^_^

Edit: I was that anonymous fifth/sixth person that showed up for a bit...

rufiangel 12th Feb 2015, 6:33 PM edit delete reply
I was actually rushing the strip so badly at that point I wasn't paying attention to the chat as much as I should have been... u_u;; I didn't even keep count of how many people were watching. Terrible of me! I'll keep that in mind for future reference. But thank you :)
mjkj 12th Feb 2015, 7:39 PM edit delete reply
Ah, well, I just snuck in for a few minutes I was not even registered I listened in a bit and read some comments and left again.
Headgamer 12th Feb 2015, 1:49 AM edit delete reply
Two request?

Well one is surender Cain, but the other?

Do they want Kylie to stop her cosine from reporting his findings? Or maybe they want Kylie to stop looking for her brother? That would fit in to my "Kylie's brother is/is involved with Able" theory. Or maybe they want Mike to stop tring to revive Jinn, though I don't know why that would be so importent....

Otherwise unless it's something like "drop your weapons" or "don't look for Cain once we take them" I have no idea.

Anyhow, I really enjoyed the Livestream even though I had to leave part way through. I'm glad I happened to check FB this morning (because I typically don't).
Prayformercy 12th Feb 2015, 3:49 AM edit delete reply
The other request is probably for the book back.
Headgamer 12th Feb 2015, 10:35 AM edit delete reply
I was thinking that at first, but it'd be really silly of them to ask that.

They were trying to steal the book from that bombastic emperor so he still has it right? Why would the party have it? If they had it then THEY would have stole it. Or was there a line I forgot where he gave the book to the party? If so your right it's definitely the book.

Edit: Seia has it. So I guess it's possible... but it's not like he's with them.
Prayformercy 12th Feb 2015, 1:46 PM edit delete reply
Last they saw, Sho had the book, and it was stolen from him by nemi. Unless madou has gotten the info that they gave it to seia, it wouldnt be too far off for them to still think its in Nemi/Cains posession.
rufiangel 12th Feb 2015, 6:34 PM edit delete reply
Yep, two requests! :)

And I was really glad to see you there Headgamer! Also happy you managed to get the vid/aud working eventually XD aaand super happy you brought MizunoRyuu along! <3 It was really nice to see you both there, ehehe. :) Happy I put the notice on FB! :D
Matt Knab 12th Feb 2015, 2:15 AM edit delete reply
Matt Knab
Offensive spellcasting can be a part of advanced negotiations. They're just taking a strong opening stance. >.>
Of course, violent reprisal is a perfectly acceptable response to that opening stance. XD
Prayformercy 12th Feb 2015, 7:32 AM edit delete reply
its just a really good intimidate roll.
rufiangel 12th Feb 2015, 6:35 PM edit delete reply
XD I bet it'd be Doug's choice of strong opening stance, LOL. But yes, exactly; showing what you're capable of if they *don't* comply is, in a way, an effective opener. Though not very diplomatic, I suppose XD;; (And that's one of Ren's higher skill scores~)
HeSerpenty 12th Feb 2015, 2:59 AM edit delete reply
Omgggg I'm dyying to know what these requests are! I thought of a CRAZY theory for SF while I was cleaning the floors today (I know... weird, right?)... I might have to PM it to you. It's really out there XDD

Anyways I love this page! I CAN"T WAIT til the next one!! Egaaads it needs to be friday already! T^T
rufiangel 12th Feb 2015, 6:36 PM edit delete reply
Honey I am still waiting for this CRAZY theory that occurred to you while you were cleaning the floors today XDDD I REALLY want to hear it!

And yayyy thank you! :D I'm glad you like this page, hehehe. <3
Lukkai 12th Feb 2015, 7:57 AM edit delete reply
Yeah... Ren's kinda having a credibility problem right now. In that regardless of what he says, they could not really trust him to stay true to his word. Or maybe him, but not any allies of his.

Also I'm wondering whether Nemi'll try to do something about Leela. She seems really concerned about his worries and well-being.

As for the alt-text: Now THAT actually depends on circumstances.
rufiangel 12th Feb 2015, 6:39 PM edit delete reply
Haha, yeah... if only Ren could have picked and chosen his comrades himself. He probably wouldn't have picked hair-trigger Leela to come with him for the talky-talky bits, but his choices were Sho, the non-talky assassin, Madou, the overly-talky mage, or Leela, the at-least-she-listens-when-she-has-to necromancer. XD;; He had to shoot himself in the foot somewhere no matter who he picked!
Allzephyr 12th Feb 2015, 8:34 AM edit delete reply
What a nice suit. (nothing else going through my head today)
rufiangel 12th Feb 2015, 6:40 PM edit delete reply
Oh yay, I'm glad you think so! XD;;
Proxy170 12th Feb 2015, 8:53 AM edit delete reply
Proxy170 much conflict here, and a very different approach it seems from the past. I wonder what they're going to ask?
rufiangel 12th Feb 2015, 6:41 PM edit delete reply
Hehehe, yep, the conflict keeps ramping up the next few pages so I'm hoping I can keep up >_<)/ They just have two requests~! Nothing more, nothing less...
Prayformercy 12th Feb 2015, 12:32 PM edit delete reply
Nearly forgot about this. Madou.. was investigating essentially what was going on with kylie and the town she destroyed. He finds runes engraved in blood on a destroyed surface.
EDIT - looking back, noone has touched his bare skin yet either, always through gloves or some other sort of material. Recall before with Jinn, his skin was cold from being necroed.

Now, leela is using runes to attack the party, given to her by madou. Adding this in with the mysterous stranger who weve been calling as either madou himself or evil, ive come to a couple of guesses.
1. Renault = Reanimated corpse from Leela the necromancer waiting to spring a trap on the party. Most likely on Cain since hes the target of their attack. Madou was looking into a new rune found supposedly near where kylie went berserk and destroyed a town. My assumption is Seia (bad spelling probably) used a sealing spell/rune of sorts to contain her lcf energy from spreading further. The type of thing that would be useful to seal a priests powers so he cant heal during a fight. If renault is working in conjunction with Ren, Cain atm is defenseless and within grabbing distance of renault. The fire trap could have been on purpose to lure cain in close for renault to seal his energy.
Other possibility for the seal if seia didnt do it, is Kylie did it herself, as in alot of the flashbacks she has when she tries to cast her lethylace ( again spelling, sorry rufi) shows her looking at her hands covered in blood particularly near the finger tips, and in at least 1 of them, they show a finger tracing the rune design out. And madous recon collaborates this a little bit as the piece of stone he finds with the rune on it seems to be written in blood ( or what i assume to be a rune anyway)

Lots of maybes and ifs. But i think some of it holds water =p
rufiangel 12th Feb 2015, 6:44 PM edit delete reply
Hmmmm interesting~! We'll have to wait a bit before I can properly respond to your theories, but I do enjoy reading them so :D Thank you!

And no worries, your spelling of Seia was correct! :) Lethiace, well, you were close XDD no worries!
Crestlinger 12th Feb 2015, 11:49 PM edit delete reply
Klingon-style negotiation: show that you are negotiating from a position of strength first, then actually start dealing.
rufiangel 13th Feb 2015, 11:13 AM edit delete reply
Makes sense to me! :P (Though probably not the approach I'd go for. XD;)
Spellodello 13th Feb 2015, 4:48 AM edit delete reply
THINGS ARE CONVERGINGGGG~ Yep this is gonna go downhill fast...maybe(I bet there's a bit story twist coming soon)

I think Ren is one of the people who Abel was talking to in an earlier page?...I might have him mixed up but ohboy.
Prayformercy 13th Feb 2015, 5:13 AM edit delete reply
Ren was the guy earlier who was directly caring for Abel.
rufiangel 13th Feb 2015, 11:20 AM edit delete reply
Hahaha yesss finally thigns are converging~! XD; That only took forever, yes? XD;;;

And story twists... haha, the readers have been coming up with crazy ones in the comments to the extent I feel like the truth is extremely mundane XDDD

And yep, Ren was the one Abel was speaking to at the end of chapter two and four. :)

Prayformercy 13th Feb 2015, 12:42 PM edit delete reply
its ok rufi, well write the story for you, you just draw the pretty pictures and insert random cains ass comments everywhere. Its a goldmine i tell you.